When Gary is being taken away by the FBI, he fights it until he sees that shes aware of whats happening. Labor Day's origins go much deeper than backyard barbecues and picnics. And so we planted some seeds early on, about them getting drinks. The New York Times Magazine recently posited that at the center of the acerbic satire that is "Veep" sits "the singularly awkward, brutal, tender, nonromantic romance between Selina and Gary.". Selina has always hated the limited powers of the vice president. MANDEL RESPONDS: "I didn't know the . I think it would have suited him quite well, and I would have really enjoyed seeing him in one of those dental smock things.. And what that says to me is, again, another picture of her weakness and her cowardice. The second he said it, it was just like, Oh, my God. He really did deeply, deeply care for her. That they murdered somebody just too easy," Mandel says. And its not easy for her, but its not as hard as it probably should be, either. She's like, 'I'm going out looking good!'". ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Yes, 85 percent of people said theyd like to know what Gary and Selina were referring to in Season 4s legendary East Wing blowup when he yelled, Can you find somebody else who did what I did? and she responded, You mean on Labor Day? About half of those people, without provocation, also added that theyd like to know what was in the trash bag that Selina made Gary retrieve in Season 2s Shutdown. The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained., MANDEL RESPONDS: I didnt know the trash bag was on their minds quite as much, but thats fascinating. I do think Gary is a much better version of himself during that funeral, definitely. What high or low crime was Jonah impeached for? Hes definitely not meant for prison. It was a move that on its face seemed shocking and heartbreaking, and served as the show's darkest moment. Fr nhere Informationen zur Nutzung Ihrer Daten lesen Sie bitte unsere Datenschutzerklrung und Cookie-Richtlinie. The First Labor Day. Do you haveconfidence in new showrunner, [Curb Your Enthusiasm EP]David Mandel? April 28, 2017, 12:21 PM. Connected to that, having ended up taking the year off, our plans for production were going to probably be later, so we might not have aired until the summer, had we shot pre-cancer. The Hollywood Reporter is a part of Penske Media Corporation. I dont remember whose idea that was, but It was a really nice distraction from the weight of what was going on. And they have had this just crazy ping-pong back-and-forth relationship, and he has constantly screwed her over. She wasnt completely disconnected. So hell blow up at Dan or Jonah, but never Selina. But then when he gets out and she dies, his entire identity was based in her, so her dying meant that a portion of him was also dying. I think he has forgiven her. As for that Jonah scenario, Maybe Jonah could get tortured. Party leaders, looking for someone to beat the popular Laura Montez, turn to Jonah to run for President and throw their support behind him. Of all the people in the world you could pick, that decision to make Jonah vice president again is also part of the reason thats the title of this episode. Copyright 2023 Meredith Corporation. Im hoping that well get it in this year, but Im not sure we will. How hard was that pill to swallow? Dan (Reid Scott) is selling real estate in Laguna Beach! What else could she do that would be even worse than breaking up with Jaffar? Even though I think Selina is a little bit anti-Semitic, shes not nearly as anti-Semitic as the entire Trump administration, so its hard to compete.. Gary disposed of a body for her. I started to wonder why Selina Meyer was being punished. Its meant to be. Do you need me to fly back to New York and get a comb you left there? I mean, the fact that he says, Im fing everything to you is just Gary would never in his wildest dreams have thought to talk to his queen that way. My guess is that I think he was probably in prison for about 20 years. Theres a wonderful moment, Anna just sells the hell out of it. I didnt say it was Tom Hanks specifically but I said I hope he digs it because theres a pretty cool nod to the pilot. So its like there was an undercurrent of knowing that it was the end and us doing a scene that was the end between us that compounded the emotion. The way that I was surprised, actually, is that even though Selina would never admit it, I do feel like she subconsciously thought she needed Gary around her at all times. Thats the interesting flaw of her. Its just always been there., Amy (Anna Chlumsky) is so beyond driven to get Jonah elected, and shes relishing in her return to power, but then she reverses course. The international opinion on Trump is quite clear, so I think they are fascinated by [whats happening], and horrified, much like a lot of Americans. It didnt happen. And it was very funny, too, because there was no next clip. Whose future outcome amused you the most? Welcome to the Quantum Realm. And perhaps had she just made peace with Kemi [Toks Olagundoye] early on, a lot of this could have been avoided. I loved it, because it was obviously a salute to the show, but by the way, was also proving my point, Mandel says. And so Selina Joker-ed her way out of brokered convention and wound up back in the Oval Office, but at great cost: She was now the most powerful person in the world, but also the loneliest, having sold out those nearest to her. That would have been the running joke, that everybody else got scanned but shes the only actual competent one. When Kent is basically bellowing at Selina and kind of losing it a little bit, the camera finds Amy there. Throughout their 12-year marriage, Andrew was always . I feel like the possibility of Jonahs impending death would be just as nerve-racking as all the times Quinn was in danger. Yes, the person she had appointed to take charge of her faith-based initiativethe person who had the most faith in her, the person who did god-knows-what for her on the good ship Labor Daywould be the one to pay for all of her corruption. "Like a dog returning to its vomit" is how Tony Hale recently and colorfully described it. I guess that would be a real problem. Because that moment she realized she wasnt going to have to change it to something else. But I also sort of agree [with Eman]: With Labor Day, at some point you worry that theres no answer that would satisfy anybody, he says. That's why he went back. Read on to see how fans answered Mandels queries, as well as his reactions to the most popular responses (including the Labor Day theories he shot down). The joke I always say is, we would sit around trying to think of the stupidest, dumbest thing a president or his staff could do and they kind of outdo that on a daily basis.. [It was] both a combination of starting to think, Well, weve seen a lot of variations of that before, and also this sense of: in America people were behaving very, very badly and not being punished. Below, Hale takes us behind the scenes of the epic clash, teases the fallout to come, and sheds light on that Labor Day riddle. Thats why we have climate deniers, we have anti-vaxxers, and we are seeing what those things wrought. Oscars Best Picture Winners Best Picture Winners Emmys STARmeter Awards San Diego Comic-Con New York Comic-Con Sundance Film Festival Toronto Int'l Film Festival Awards Central Festival Central All Events Except the desired outcome would be the opposite: wed be holding our breath to see if Jonah would escape danger but wed be super upset and disappointed each time he survived, MANDEL RESPONDS: Thatd be very funny, he says of having a Carrie-type crier. Oh my God, shes the worst! But In the age of reboots, we must ask: Is there any chance that Veep will come back in any form, down the road?At least for the moment, Ive said everything I have to say about these people and this world. If you like TVLine, you'll LOVE our email news alerts! She made eye contact with Gary, who looked at her for help as he was being led away, to which she simply looked away and continued the speech that she had swiped from the war hero. And I think had Sufe not been available, we would have gotten rid of that scene and gone with the other scene. "I mean, we set this up at the beginning of the season with the faith-based initiative, and it was the perfect sacrifice for him to make and what his job wasin her mind. Just like she did with the speech on nomination night. https://www.yahoo.com/tv/veep-showrunner-david-mandel-responds-labor-day-theories-162157120.html. And whose was the hardest to settle on?I most loved Richard being president, and I loved the three-state solution to the [Israeli-Palestinian] crisis, because even I as the writer have no idea what the third state is. I've always assumed he was talking about finding her trash and whatever horrifying thing that was in it. The comedy of the episode, her hating of the vice presidency, her not wanting to give to people, to him, to Jonah, when he goes, No, I dont want it. And then says, Im going to run in the third party and f your shit up. Then everybody is screaming at him, and his line where he goes, Fine! And that was the beginning of her real healing. TVLINE | I feel like the first three seasons have been building to thismoment. My hope is that while we are in this horrific Selina Meyer morass, that down the line there is hope. Selina Meyer and her staff try to take on the White House in this HBO sitcom. And youre right, he did look rough. Oh, no, no, no!' He knows all the skeletons. Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. Hes done outrageous things for her and nothing has yet snapped him out of it. Mike says Tom won four Oscars, so was the fourth for Philadelphia 2?You think so? Because if she doesnt go all in on that job, then it makes the decision to perhaps having had the abortion more wrong for her. I pair that with how excited I am to be able to have had a full-circle moment in Veep, to show the beginning and an end and to walk through the whole journey and to have the whole arc of the series completed. It seemed that despite the betrayal, on some level, he will always hold a warped torch for Selina. "I have this Forrest Gump-ian way of touching something and it becomes a hit!" But when [the abuse] comes from everyone else,he does see it. This core in him that really cared about her, and really loved her and saw something else that other people didn't see. If she had asked the question, do you think would Gary have sacrificed himself? The 15 percent who said no to a Labor Day reveal feel as Eman does: "Some things are more beautiful when left unexplained.". You mentioned that Trump was one of several reasons that you and Julia decided to wrap it up, but the show seemed energized by and turbocharged in mocking the current political climate from anti-vax to denying facts and the powers that be with the Meyer Fund and the Chinese election interference. It is horrific. She was such a coward that she didnt want to go to someone and say, I dont want to date you anymore. And she had me do it. Entertainment Weekly is a registered trademark of Meredith Corporation All Rights Reserved. As a whole, I was really satisfied by where they were taking the end because Selina was so awful, so bitter, so narcissistic and so selfish without any empathy. Mandel thinks Jamies read was correct: I think she only really tried to do good if she thought it was politically expedient. It would be a blast. The problem is, Im happy to get rid of the incidental swearing. An incompetent boss [like Mike] is the greatest thing in the world then you can do what you like. This cast is so close, they were all together in Baltimore [where the show was filmed for the first four seasons] for so long. Yes, he enjoyed seeing people turn real Trump team gaffes into Veep closing-credits sequences like the executive order one above or Sean Spicers infamous Hitler remarks below. This is the main character of a TV show, and you relish in her horribleness. Any kind of obscenities that have been thrown at him from her, he just doesnt hear it. Garys got a lot of secrets. In the mornings before they come to get her, she will be up and dressed and waiting to get out of those family quarters and to get back to the Oval and business. I was weirdly very satisfied by it because nothing was going to wake Gary out of this abusive cycle but this.. She has been riding that thing, and its brought up a lot though obviously her anger at Selena, and all of those things. He was ready to do whatever she asked. Copyright 2023 Meredith Corporation. Hes around her again. It was kinda great., TRUMP MOMENT as @VeepHBO closing credit scene is ???????????? Whatever happened earlier in the day where she made the push and obviously it didnt go, she was all in. A few suggested either watching an interview online in which Anna says it herself (see above), or simply just calling her Anna to be safe. ", Hale called it "perfect" as well, and in expressing his extreme approval for this grim outcome, he opines that it takes two damaged individuals to tangoand that Gary bears some responsibility for that broken relationship. The most joy Gary ever had was when he would get the right lipstick; when he would get the right coat. Entertainment Weekly is a registered trademark of Meredith Corporation All Rights Reserved. And in some ways, thats what makes him her father. "It was like you've got a 10,000-piece puzzle and it's that one last tiny piece and it fits in perfectly. Ethan has it all thought out: Jonah, given his cancer scare and his ability to relate to the American people (because were all Jonahs, really), becomes one of the rising stars within the party and easily wins re-election in the midterms. He got what we were going for at the end there, and was proud to be a part of it, and it just put a huge smile on Julias and my faces. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: Fans had many suggestions: a job with least or no stress, like ticket salesman to a museum which no one visits; a tired-but-friendly high school teacher who interacts well with the students (because doesnt do his job and doesnt teach); Uber driver who keeps trying to show you photos of his children; shift supervisor at a small-town grocery store; food critic, Daily Mail journalist, Trump PR team; Boat rental, he seems really into boats; or babysitting both humans and pets. Ive said this before, but its like a dog returning to his vomit. How long had you been sitting on that idea as the ending?There was always this idea of jumping ahead to the funeral. So again, it wouldve been Jonahs fault that she didnt get what she wanted. 2023 Oscars predictions: See who will win at the 95th Academy Awards. Its been a well-received season of change for HBOs Veep, but as we found out when we posed showrunner David Mandels 13 questions to fans, there are two things you can count on remaining the same: viewers love-hate relationship with Jonah and their shared desire to know what Gary did for Selina on Labor Day. "There was just an enormous amount of restraint. I think you try to stay in Garys world. I moved for the past seven years anytime she said that and the fact that I had to stay there was like, 'Aww, dammnit! (Luckily Im not American, then I dont have to live under Trump direction.). In this hilarious clip from HBO's "Veep " Selina (Julia Louis Dreyfus) and Gary (Tony Hale) finally have a blowout and essentially reset their relationship. And I think he honestly was there to pay his respects. It took that. Did you ever consider revealing exactly what happened on Labor Day, or is it one of those things that the answer will never be as satisfying as the speculation and your own imagination?I love that everyone has a theory. The truth is, shed done so many horrible things over the course of [the show], you had to dig deep to make it real. Entertainment Weekly may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. They were very lovely, we miss them, and my mom loved the show, he says. And so in becoming president, Montez would have held on to her, and that there would have been a moment or two when we went back to the Montez White House, or even maybe trying to call Montez and Sue would have answered the phone, some version of that. Durch Klicken auf Alle akzeptieren erklren Sie sich damit einverstanden, dass Yahoo und unsere Partner Ihre personenbezogenen Daten verarbeiten und Technologien wie Cookies nutzen, um personalisierte Anzeigen und Inhalte zu zeigen, zur Messung von Anzeigen und Inhalten, um mehr ber die Zielgruppe zu erfahren sowie fr die Entwicklung von Produkten. And when you sow that your entire life, you reap sadness and isolation. Thats actually kind of the perfect paring, if shes the ventriloquist and Im the dummy. So Im surprised in terms of her own survival that she did that. Regret is a part of it, but at the same time, though, I think almost more horror. I just want to determine who really is the human crutch in their relationship. Another popular suggestion: Jonah ends up running for president either opposing Selina or with her help. Do you agree? Among the who's-who . A lot of these stories go back to when I and the new writers came into the show. In the primaries, Jonahs run mirrors Selinas initial run: he starts out popular, but ends up losing to DANNY CHUNG. Daten ber Ihr Gert und Ihre Internetverbindung, wie Ihre IP-Adresse, Browsing- und Suchaktivitten bei der Nutzung von Yahoo Websites und -Apps. "I remember I was outside the room watching the monitor, hearing her go 'Gary' and I couldn't move. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The idea being, there is at least one more Oscar in the next 24 years, along with the sequel to Philadelphia. Veep is an HBO satirical dark comedy about the various dysfunctional staffers in the office of ineffectual Vice President of the United States Selina Meyer, played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus (of Seinfeld and The New Adventures of Old Christine fame). Oh, thats interesting. But Im guessing it was all very like an angry divorced couple that kind of bumps into each other at the lawyers office. Was Catherines cutting of ties with Selina the healthiest decision she made?Her realization that she was interested in members of the same sex and ultimately her happiness with Marjorie and the family they built I think theres a three-year story there of her becoming a more and better-fulfilled person. So I think later in life he might have seen how ridiculous that was and let himself go a little bit and freed up. Maybe its all for the best. Catherine told her mother that shed never forgive her for agreeing to ban same-sex marriage, and then we saw her watch her funeral at home with Marjorie [Clea DuVall], which indicated estrangement. But Hale says that the ultimate revenge may be Selina's, even from the grave. Thats the byproduct. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: The majority got it right (K-lumsky). To read what Louis-Dreyfus and Hale thought of Selinas betrayal of Gary, head over here. He always wanted to match her. What we just spoke about is obviously all of Garys story. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: They werent happy about it, but roughly 60 percent said Gary wearing corduroy. But one cant be surprised by everything horrific and morally bankrupt that she does after seeing her in action like that.Were taking advantage of something that Ive talked a lot about, which is people sometimes say to themselves, Oh, I want Selina to be president. And its always like, Well, no. I dont believe he could have stopped us from saying his name. Hopefully there was a support group within that prison that helped him process. She was aware of what she was doing. That is a really sharp turn for the character in that day. "I'm just gonna simply say too easy. ", It was during that last line that Gary was accosted by two FBI agents on the side of the stage. So what is the worst thing that she could do that is unlike anything shes ever done? "I need you to do something for me," she said, though he obliviously was more concerned with getting that chia seed out of her teeth. I feel like the real road not taken for him wouldve been like a childrens dentist. It just seems like it has to be something we dont know about at all., Gary had to tell Andrew that Selina wanted a divorce, just as he had to tell Ted about their split in that same Season 1 episode. And then [theres] the ultimate decision to give it to Jonah, which in some ways is almost as bad as the Gary thing, and Im putting it, like, a hair less. Some part of me almost wondered that had she asked him, he actually might have been willing to do it. He certainly didnt deserve to go to jail, but what responsibility, if any, does he own for participating in this horrifically lopsided relationship?Boy, thats an interesting question. "I knew about it for quite some time, and it felt absolutely perfect," Louis-Dreyfus tells EW of the story turn. We trade him for the sadly now deceased Peter Quinn. She has a new Amy [in Michelle, played by Rhea Seehorn]. And I love how Veep showed that full-circle moment with her. ", Hale had dropped a hint about the finale before it aired, "You reap what you sow," and he seems to apply that to Gary almost as much as Selina. He legitimately was there to say goodbye. The boat thing was something we had thought a lot about, honestly, when I first got to the show, just the idea that its a boat, not the date, I thought that would be a really fun thing. I guess as long as you werent a good-looking woman. Then of course, like all bullies because she is a bully the best defense is a good offense. "Nah," she said, reversing course. I enjoyed it just because of the fun and the silliness of all the different time periods and all that kind of stuff, the chance to do sort of the Gilbert and Sullivan musical, and that kind of a thing.. declares Louis-Dreyfus, who emailed Hanks for his blessing. But the arbitrary rule all but . Selina Meyer and her staff try to take on the White House in this HBO sitcom. 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