P.S. The Queen- The Clown saved the Queen, thus the Queen forgave him, and then also abandoned the King as a pre existing character. For me the biggest issue wasnt necessarily killing the king off in and of itself (although I do agree that things could have been so much more interesting with more interaction between him and Ha Seon). I neglected to state that Jin-goo's performances were great, and that Kim Sang-kyung is a new favorite. Hurting herself means kind of killing herself and finding him in afterlife i guess but i don't think thats how it happened. Who wouldn't, if they were up against Hae Mo-su and his badass grandson?! So it was @sicarius who broke it. And the King only died because the King was a plot device and the King was only a plot device because this show, and its writers, are frakking stupid.~) The episode ends with a long anticipated reunion and one final glimpse of the sunset. Fictional or not, no sageuk has ever dare to change the royal line of Joseon. He manages to throw his sword and take out the assassin about to finish off Ha Sun, then slips around Ha Sun to take the sword meant for him. Which means they both died. It turns out to be a trap though that he walks right into. Live together in a small hut just the two of them and So Woon's maid in obscurity for the rest of their lives? To kill off Moo Young and leave Ha Seon with literally no one but So Woon? There almost were- with the Queen almost committing suicide out of guilt, Shin almost exposing the Clown as a fake, and Ha Seon finding out Haksan killed the king. I love how real his performance was. This drama you have to choose the ending I chose he had died then she did and he came to get her so they could go together to heaven. It was the most interesting part, the relationships he had with Eunuch Jo, the Queen, Minister Lee, Moo Young, Ho Geol. She is depressed and gets yet another false hope that Hasun could be alive. The uncanny, period-inappropriate costumes, hairstyles, makeup and actors turned me off right at the VERY beginning of the drama. Stars Yeo Jin-gu Se-yeong Lee Kim Sang-kyung See production, box office & company info Watch on Prime Video Stretching it A LOT, but okay. It was a beautiful journey, and when the last episode ended I felt a little sad to say goodbye to them all. The end was quite disapointing, I mean the jump in the future was useless. 3. She asks the little girl where she learned to make a wish like that, and the girl says a man who was passing by taught her. From the masterful acting, to the cinematography, to the heart-pounding soundtrack, the drama always felt confident and assured, and I loved the beautiful way it told Ha Suns story. I am now pushing on with JEONG DO JEON (35 of 50 episodes completed.) There's no telling how much faulty impressions you'd get if your 1st sageuk was MLSHR or Hwarang or Moon embracing the Sun, because then you'll have it on high pedestal, comparing the other Sageuks to your 1st one for some time for all the wrong reasons. . You will receive a link to create a new password via email. They just look at each other for a long time, then So-woon says that she has this dream all the time, but when she approaches, he usually disappears. Two years pass by and we see So Woon a broken shell of the woman she once was. Thats all. I appreciate your effort a lot. In this video, we give a full ending expla. And their casts were first-rate. I wanted to try a sageuk, and picked TCC to discuss about it here on DB. Honestly, its not even the underlying moral issues that are never addressed by this show, although sure they annoy me on a personal level, and I have argued about them till Kingdom come; its that a core ingredient for plot and character was just IGNORED in order for them to try and push the story they wanted to tell. 1/4 anyway. In a new interview with Broadcast, Suzanne Mackie explained that showrunner . The King, all his loves, fears, weaknesses and strengths, his idiosyncrasies, his handwriting, his tone of voice, he as a person, already has to exist before the Clown can pretend to be him. People who watch sageuks want historically acurrate stories, right? JUMONG was simply momentous, with KINGDOM OF THE WINDS a worthy successor. And then the Clown and his Queen live happily ever after, after the Clown suddenly abdicates after having a COMPLETE change in behaviour and personality I might add, that nobody frakking realises. As an audience, it was too easy to see these things in modern-day context instead of the context of the time period, where often, getting rid of someone, though a heinous choice, was often the only choice to protect the power of the throne (and thus the people). Loved loved loved this drama till the ending The good points : the instrumental music (the OST was so beautiful and went well with the scenes), the humor ( I kind missed it at the end), the scenery (it was beautiful), not too much characters (I tend to be lost when there are too much Ministers in the same clothes). The old grey mare ain't what she used to be. I'm not even thinking that this drama is even close to reality lol. And even that wouldn't have happened if Lee Jun-ki wasn't leading the drama basically single-handedly! (I did watch it, and I was right.). But in this episode, she was complaining about how late he was, and I felt like she shouldn't blame Ha Sun for disappearing like that, and it felt weirdly worded and not as executed well as I thought. Thanks @kiara and @pakalanapikake for all your comments during the run of THE CROWNED CLOWN. Y U GOTTA KILL OFFICER JANG?! The whole idea was for the clown to step in temporarily because they are bound by the custom and rules of that time period. As soon as its done, a weight seems to lift from his shoulders. Yeo Jin-goo. He only existed to play the King and become the King, at the expense of the King. I will remember his Eunuch Jo for a long time. But this show decided to ignore one crucial part of this premise. He only existed to play the King and become the King, at the expense of the King. I don't know what came over me that I felt so compelled to embark on JUMONG and KINGDOM OF THE WINDS around the start of the year. Why even give us Yi Heon as a character with a backstory to begin with if youre just going to do that to him. And even I would be interested, and was interested, in seeing what this story looks like. That's how much attention to details that was being paid to the king and his daily routine. I really loved this show, but they botched it in the end. I cannot believe that Lord Shin would have allowed himself to walk into a trap. I do not know of any other drama where it attracted the attention of so much of the wisest and knowledgeable beanies, SIMPLY because of its potential and not because it was actually a phenomenal drama. Woon-shim is allowed to say goodbye, and she sobs that she thought they would finally be together. He should have walked away, been protected by the officer, who would then accompany him as he returned to the village incognito to meet up with his sister and the queen. EPISODE 16 RECAP Better late than never is the best I can do these days. The King : I think it was sad they didn't show him more as a Crown Prince. You're making good progress with JEONG DO JEON. In the drama the writers won't be able to keep the clown on the throne in the end or they'll have to deal with some angry Korean viewers. The Crown season 4 ended with Christmas at Balmoral. Kudos to the entire production team. The Clown cannot be King if there is no pre-existing King for him to pretend to be. In re-reading the ep. He holds his own well, but neither of them sees the archers who sneak around behind Ha Sun and fire two arrows into his back. I must have been bonkers. They didn't really expose that at the beginning. Heyena. The ending, although not a disaster, definitely needs to be reworked. Finally its time for Ha Sun to go. Sigh. Or is he just slow witted when it comes to matters like his own safety? Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit, I stopped watching at episode 10 since I had time-constraints and felt that the pace was a little slow or maybe just that I lacked time. Because the show wouldve been more interesting, and wouldve made more sense if he had been treated as his necessary pre-existing character, and therefore storytelling cornerstone, (and Jingoos acting) deserved and required. It made it interesting. Kwon Hae-hyo delivered with bells on in the ruthless social-climbing department until Lord Shin inexplicably lost the plot at the end of the show. It saddens me that my sister can't do the same. Like you, I'll pray to the Drama Gods that we be preserved from simultaneous sageuk scheduling in the future. I initially thought they should have kept yi heon for few more episodes which i mentioned in my comments under ep 8. (Cant remember if I read all of your wall before you broke DB, but still *nods*. Because it seeemed that he was a good Crown Prince until his dad died and made this stupid discour before. But the Clown woke him up and he realized he could do good for korean people. Guards run to close the palace gates and protect the queen, but Ha Sun only has eyes for the dying Minister Lee. It has been a pleasure. I really liked this drama. Keith Bernstein/Netflix. Let me follow your thoughts: Then the death of Officer Jang and the unnecessary pain the Queen had to go through while grieving for Hasun. While there were memorable scenes and dialogue, I feel like the overall message the show was trying to convey got muddled along the way. What was the point? Did he wish on one of his hazelnuts?! I just wish I could have commented more on CROWNED CLOWN, but the mental fatigue was real. He says that if she refuses, hell hang Minister Lees body at the gates for the people to see, and then theyll know that she caused this rebellion without justification. Like everyone else I feel the end was rushed and not thought out. Lord Giseong is crowned king, and Ha Sun dresses in common clothing as he packs to leave the palace. The one degree of separation to MASQUERADE. The viewers would simply accept it as a bittersweet fate in a sad destiny. She presses a finger to the stress lines between his eyes, looking worried for him. Sheesh. He promises that hell never become an animal who uses his power for personal gain, and that hell do whats right even when hes scared. Starring: Yeo Jin-goo, Lee Se-young, Kim Sang-kyung Creators: Kim Hee-won, Kim Seon-deok, Shin Ha-eun Watch all you want. And clothes? Connect with Facebook Jang Gwang. Ha Sun doesnt want to disrespect his loyal friend that way, and Minister Lee says it makes him feel joyful to hear Ha Sun call him that. He used to swap cloths with the guard make him sit on the throne and would laugh when ministers and noble men bowed to the guard. Thinking the faulty thing has zero faults and loving it under THAT impression? The premise of this show is the story of a Clown who became King. Minister Shin takes advantage of the confusion to try to sneak Prince Jin-pyung out of the palace, but theyre stopped at the gates. Clan power? js = d.createElement(s); js.id = id; Thank you @lollypip for recapping THE CROWNED CLOWN. The cast and crew can be proud of their production; That was during my first DB live-watch, OH HAE-YOUNG AGAIN, which got into some trippy metaphysics. or Whatever you want to argue the reason for this was, and whatever you want to argue the reason for Ha Seon blithely forgiving him for this was, and whatever the argument posed for whether Haksan was good or bad, does not matter. Nobody offered a friendly gesture to Diana, choosing Charles. I was still bitter with how they made the Kisaeng wait for Haksan for 20 years then bam Haksan's dead just when she thought she had a happy ending now this :/. I give the story, props and acting 9/10 and Haksun (Chief Secretary) could get an 11/10 for his acting alone. ;-). C) Most of what could have been a semi-satisfactory end to a once potentially good show ended up being So Woon wandering around in tears because she thought her husband was dead, which surprise! 4/4 His death scene was really great. version : 'v2.2' // use version 2.2 1 recap and comments before posting my thoughts on the finale, I noted that numerous Beanies were expecting to get more of Yi Heon's backstory. Meanwhile, MLSHR had ALL the potential to be THE Sageuk of the decade, but it tanked, epically. Where did he get money to travel around? Because, when making a sad ending, you have to make it believable enough so that the viewer does not feel like theyre being unnecessarily hurt. But to create a 'bad' end then rush a 'good' one without solid backing feels weird. I said this in episode 8, and I will say it again. The Crown Season 5 ending explained The episode begins with the Royal Family agreeing to the decommissioning of the royal yacht, Brittania. That is what they wanted to tell. And . As Moo-young falls, he recalls Ha Sun asking him what his greatest wish in life is. And the music is perfection. After all the drama and pain of the last 15 and a half episodes, after firmly declaring he wants to take Yi Heon's throne and use his power for good, he justdecides to walk away. So after the preliminary introductions, they used Yi Heon as a plot device, to get the Clown into the Kings position and then they abandoned the King. When I thought it couldnt get worse, it did. Did it seem to anyone else that there were too many generals possibly coming to help from too many provinces? (~You know, its kind of paradoxical. In comparison, I was passionately and unequivocally committed to REBEL for the entire run of that show. (Lol. The Clown manages to fluke his way out of the accusations (without anyone on his side dying), and then the Villains lead a rebellion that is entirely unsuccessful and was executed without intelligence so that the Good Guys (lol) can win very easily and eliminate all threats, in the space of about 20 minutes, as if the last fifteen episodes of well, drama, mean absolutely nothing. I personaly don't like doppelganger stories because they often are not very good or end not very well like Big, Are You Human Too, The Honor, Jeckyl, Hyde and Me (not a doppelganger but same principe). And i also think the doppelganger part is seemingly only the possible way to a mere clown to become a king. episodes (13-16) I think it has found its groove (for me at least.) If they had planned to make Ha-Sun abdicate the at the very least I wish they could've introduced his successor before so it didn't feel like he came outta nowhere. Poor Moo-young is hurt that Ha Sun tried to leave him behind, and Ha Sun marvels, You really have fallen for me! LOL, that joke never gets old. ;-). if (d.getElementById(id)) return; This on the hand was all over the place. I realize that it was to his advantage to have his enemies think he was dead, but for the life of me, I cannot see how he could have lived. The fact that he did it on his own, without Minister Lees help, was sad but also impressive, and he proved to himself that hes capable of anything despite his low birth. My take on the ending was that he was nursed back to health though we dont know how and who took care of him. (In case you don't know, it's a weekly article we had then to publish the BEST comments of the week. Couldnt stop watching. And why didn't the rebels have scouts out to spot the approaching relief army? But none of that had any real stakes. Lord Giseong (cameo by Yoon Park), backs up Ha Sun, saying that he only wants to make sure the people are taking the correct medicines, making Ha Sun smile gratefully. Thats not all though as we soon find out. Another example would be the queen: after her suicide cliff attempt, she acted like shed been married to Ha Seon all along instead of Yi Heon. Again, why? Gapsu raised the two kids but how did that happen? Distracted, Moo-young tries to get to Ha Sun, but hes stopped by a sword through the chest. It's Moon lovers; Scarlet heart, Ryeo. Dal-lae should have reunited with Ha Sun. This shows single and greatest flaw, therefore, is ignoring the consequences of the King as a pre-existing character as determined by the premise of the show itself. Why did he leave the palace without guards? Gap-soo and Dal-lae have rejoined their clown troupe. Because the show you THOUGHT you were getting, the doppelganger plot with the tension and juxtaposition created by that, is actually a different show altogether. In the history of my country we had a doppelganger fake king ruling for 6 years. It did its intended purpose. Moo Young should have survived. She turns and theres Ha Sun, alive. Yes me too. Unmoved by her tirade, Ha Sun says calmly that hell endure the results of his own sins, and she should do the same. (link to my Episode 8 write up because it wasnt letting me do it as a word hyperlink: http://www.dramabeans.com/members/sicarius/activity/709687/ ). It showed the King, as a character. Voc sabe quem mandou matar o Ha Seon no final da srie? And some shows just seem to have an initial hump that I have to get over before they draw me in but then from there on out it's smooth sailing. But Ha Sun stabs him in the belly, declaring that the price for killing Minister Lee is his death. Yi Heon and his contradictions with Ha Sun was truly the only reason why I was intrigued by TCC in the first place. She meets with Minister Shin, upset about how things went this morning, because when Prince Jin-pyung dies his soldiers will be demotivated. That too, out of desperation I would have taken as some sort of poetic justice, because Yi Heon died so Ha Seon could be king, and Ha Seon died because of Yi Heon's crimes against the Queen Dowager. I have seen a lot if historical dramas because i generally like historical/costume dramas and this is certainly a drama that i really enjoyed. 3.2/4 Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. if (d.getElementById(id)) return; The King comes back later, as a cameo and as an excuse for conflict but we will kill him off because he's really not important to the Clown's story now; he's in the way. I'm probably in the minority for this opinion, but I thought it was a bold move for the show to have Lee Kyu kill the king in secret and become the "king" from the shadows. Maybe even shown the Queen's Lady having a hint of interest in him. I hope you get to see many many wonderful sageuks in the future!, Thank you very much, @peony!!! O/T but can I suggest that you maybe jump over to HAECHI and give it a try? Nor can I believe that Prince Jin-pyung would have been caught so flat-footed at the outdoor assembly. Jang Gwang's steady presence was a joy -- especially when Eunuch Jo was blending into the woodwork and meticulously inspecting the curtain pull while Haksan was going ballistic over Ha Sun early in his residency at court. My thoughts are the queen died of a broken heart when she learned the king was dead. And his relationship with So-woon was already really nuanced and had great potential for a very unique romance in which So-woon would be the only person who had power over him. And its not ministers its just one minister, others didn't want to believe it. Ha Sun stands stock-still as Minister Shin raises his sword to strike then the gates open for Minister Shin to see that his soldiers have all been killed or captured. Grrr. Lord giseong is a prince as i understood. Was she too pure to have sex? Instead of the time jump etc. In sageuks, the best character will always be the one with a twisted past, the one that isn't entirely black or white but has extremely strong values in something, and will do anything to protect those values (i.e. The two could have wandered the country checking that new reforms were taking place. Maybe some beanies can take a shot at that. Here, I'm justwhat is even there to say? But he tells her that hes been following the kings orders, and for his loyalty, Ha Sun forgives his crimes. In this video we take a deep dive and explain Season 5 of Netflix/Peter Morgan's "The Crown" reviewing its connection to the real royal family, history, and . PS: You're not a punk. ???? I really liked to see how the generosity of this character touched the people around him. Prince Jin-pyung is in bad shape from his gut wound, but he tries to act like its nothing when the queen dowager visits him. Me, too. She says that Ha Sun stole the throne from Prince Yul, and that she may drink poison and die, but shes not the loser, because Ha Sun will be remembered as the king who killed his mother. Can you guys recommend me another good political show? And how exactly was she able to leave the palace and not return to her family home or hie herself to a nunnery as she had told Daebi that she would do? version : 'v2.2' // use version 2.2 The ending was really beautiful. It turns out to be a trap though that he walks right into. The Crown is a historical drama streaming television series about the reign of Queen Elizabeth II, created and principally written by Peter Morgan, and produced by Left Bank Pictures and Sony Pictures Television for Netflix.Morgan developed it from his drama film The Queen (2006) and especially his stage play The Audience (2013). However instead of this being a huge and important plot point, and an opportunity for properly developed conflict and climax, this is practically swept under the rug. }); Minister Shin says hes already rewarded them to offset the drop in morale, and he asks if she still thinks they need a valid cause for rebellion. Then, both Jang and the King could have remained somewhere and tended to their wounds. (function(d, s, id) { I could only assume that Moo-young's sparring sessions with His Majesty paid off as the latter skewered Lord Shin. Minister Lee : he was really a great character. 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