They do things right. But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. Have mercy! The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. rm. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. So it wasnt all bad. "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. Will you not come and revive us? He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. If the cap fits.on the other hand if it doesnt then I accept your apology! From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. what evidence do you have for that?). John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. And lets talk about finance. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. I find this very revealing. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. By the way I got your recommended book. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. Not on Amazon it aint! Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. All rights reserved. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. The great thing about the Village Church is that they recognised that they had not handled it well and apologised. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Market data provided by Factset. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? It is still priced as such on my Amazon feed.thankfully someone pointed me to another link which I have now used to buy the book for a couple of pounds on Kindle. [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. I was not picking on one church: you offered Matt Chandler as an example of how mega churches get it right and I was replying to that by urging caution. Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. If you dont like it, too bad. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. Our statement: pic.twitter.com/Rin5W7eA8x, Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) August 31, 2021. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. As he walked across the stage July 26 to the large, wooden pulpit, the auditorium that seats 3,500 people was filled with non-masked, non-socially distanced conservative . (2Tim. (John MacArthur). Lumping every mega church together is not a healthy thing to do. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. ", "What is dispensationalism? False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. Its only your perception and I would deny it. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. ", "New Covenant Theology Compared With Covenantalism", "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist, Part 1", "Megapastor John MacArthur says 'no one is gay', compares homosexuality to adultery", "L.A. megachurch pastor mocks pandemic health orders, even as church members fall ill", "Fact Check-CDC comorbidity figures presented in sermon do not undermine deadliness of COVID-19", "L.A. County could pay $400,000 settlement to church that fought COVID-19 mandates", "John MacArthur and Grace Community Church win $800,000 settlement from California and L.A. County", https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/february/grace-community-church-elder-biblical-counseling-abuse.html, "Questions and Answers -- Patricia MacArthur", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_MacArthur_(American_pastor)&oldid=1142238580, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 07:45. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. 2. On top of that, MacArthur also took a salary from Grace Community Church that was "well within the upper-medium range" for California church employees, according to Johnson's 2014 statement. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. Legal Statement. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. Hardly the same as Furticks message! Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. (You can read the follow up five years later! These John MacArthur reckless faith quotes will make your faith stronger. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. MacArthur has written three books on the subject. - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. I dont do stock answers. Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. I know the drill. pokmon the series xyz. Name me one church that has handled everything well. I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. Grace Community Church, home to pastor-teacher John MacArthur, is located in Sun Valley, California and has been faithfully proclaiming God's Word since 1956. It just looks weird. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. 4) Wrong on all counts. Required fields are marked *. Legal Statement. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! Opinion Preston Clegg. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Because he is a pastor? He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). I'm a bank robber."[41]. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. (Note the attempted injection of humour!). "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. 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