Her fully formed gallstone may have contributed to her not feeling well during her last MLM trip. I wouldnt throw that out the window. I actually have been turned upside down by this murder, and through watching over 42 hours of video, have grown to love and admire Shannan! For starters there was only ONE cadaver dog (the Lab) who indicated only TWO places in the house the spot in the basement between the stairs and the heating system fan, and by the rear sliding door! Hello everyone, At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Shanann Watts Cause of Death: How Did the Colorado Mother Die? However, the autopsy does not detail the size or spacing of these marks sufficiently to form an educated opinion. Even the few days shannan was gone. Autopsy reports for Bella and Celeste say that the necks of the children were swabbed even though they were in a container of oil, water, and associated sludge matter. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. CW planned it, read it up. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. Also, I highly doubt Shanann was killed by pulling her down onto her back. Back? *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. While some muscles spontaneously contract after death and though all muscles eventually tighten into rigor mortis others are loosening their grip entirely. Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. Theyd quietly suffocate no violent confrontation, very peaceful. dirty murderer! THE GIRLS WERE NOT COMPLETELY DEAD when put into the oil tanks. Lastly and not related to your book, I continuously read people stating that the only bruises on Shananns body were the on the right side of her neck. Please explain. MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. Shanann was in there with her on top of her. 1. They found nothing of any importance under her fingernail scrapings. According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. In the case of Lacey Peterson, fecal matter *was* found in the house. I havent seen one statement from anyone who knew her well say she did. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. Anyways, interesting theories guysthanks! @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? Exiting rooms. They said they found paper bags around both her hands. He was asleep. Which she combed over the menu trying to come up with that amount for one person. She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. 3. Does anyone know where I can view the autopsy pictures and/or videos? Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? I remember reading as part of the Scott Peterson murder investigation that they found traces of fecal matter in the carpet (which had been cleaned) in a downstairs hallway, I think, but I just looked around and couldnt find anything, so I must have mis-remembered. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities have released the autopsy reports for Shanann, Bella and Celeste Watts, who were murdered by Christopher Watts in August. Would love your thoughts, please comment. He still murdered a sick pregnant wife and two innocent children. I think he would have come up with a better plan as to where he would bury them. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. What about rigormortis? I guess my vanity rubbed off on her. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. You can pooh-pooh OCD if its not you, but OCD especially for someone with a chronic disease tends to be quite significant. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely? I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. GPS from Watts work truck led police to the oil well. IF the girls were sedated (with ShanAnns leftover oxycodone) before suffocation, it would have been very easy to make sure they were both in diapers CeCe was still wearing nighttime diapers at least, and these would have served for an incapacitated Bella they didnt need to be the right size, since she wouldnt be moving around. police fileA picture Shanann sent a friend. He snapped and I was terrified of him. The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave." The cause of death was. Watts was arrested on August 15, 2018. There is cowardice involved but theres an easier way to attack and subdue someone than to wait for them to fall asleep. Autopsy shows oil, water, and sludge in their lungs, which cannot happen when you are dead. CW said he was not a monster because in his opinion he killed them humanely. Since its clear CW is a flagrant coward, I am finding it hard to imagine him having enough courage to have looked at her eye to eye while he was strangling her. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. That sounds very very snarky. But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? For nothing. Just asking a question. Just a suggestion. He was a mechanic. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. While I agree MLM is 100% a pyramid scheme and bad news and that the long term use of their products probably do more harm than good (e.g. He says he never saw what happened to Bella because he was downstairs. He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. It appeared to be an addiction by this point it was all she wanted to do. Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. This was filmed during the police officers body cam footage. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! I did. Thankyou. If Im interpreting the autopsy correctly he effectively smothered and strangled at the same time but I never see this mentioned anywhere. Why was her phone downstairs along with suitcase. Seemed to me like she kept everything clean that you could see. Page 582, 6. Areas of bruising, internal. I agree. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally So if his parents are doing interviews and book deals, he gets it honest I reckon. 53 102 comments sorted by New Add a Comment MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, She wasnt OCD, and even if she was, what does it matter? Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! She didnt try to bite him? Christopher was sentenced to life in pri And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. I agree with you Jessica But thats me. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. I think he came up behind her as she was getting ready for bed, after her long trip, and he put her in a choke hold then. But think about it. I take comfort in that, Bella and Cee Cee likely had no idea it was their dad doing that to them, but he wouldve wanted Shanann to know he was ending her life. The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. He didnt know what to do and was shaking. Unless I missed it? Have you interviewed anyone for your books? Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. Did anyone explain that? Youll never see the kids again! WHATEVER!!! And, as you point out in one of your replies to anothers comment about the oil in her body, there was no oil in her lungs, in her stomach yes, in her lungs no. Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. Please review our privacy policy here: https://heavy.com/privacy-policy/, Copyright 2023 Heavy, Inc. All rights reserved. How did Shanann Watts die? Based on Shanann having no defensive wounds, just the marks on her neck, I think he waited for her in bed, then after he felt she was either asleep or fully relaxed he rolled over on top of her and pinned her down somehow and then gripped around her neck. She also could not stand Shannan. Chris probably told shannan that shed never see the kids again.. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. I have a theory which could explain Shananns ethanol and alcohol levels. According to the arrest affidavit and footage from a security camera in the interview room, he failed a polygraph test and subsequently confessed to murdering Shanann. Donald, the house has bedrooms upstairs and a central family room with a couch and TV in between the master and the girls bedrooms. This would explain how she didnt fight! Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? Was Shanann ever clinically diagnosed with OCD by a physician or a psychiatrist? There are no words . Required fields are marked *. Googled ways to suffocate children? The reports also show that Shananns fetus had been expelled from her body, which was buried in a shallow grave. Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. So what are you saying? Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. Her clothes were even coordinated by colour in the closet. I believe it was to make her feel more at ease, able to sleep instead of up all night crying. Frank and Sandy Rzucek, and their son Franky, tell CBS4 they have been physically, emotionally and financially exhausted by unfounded claims by conspiracy theorists who believe they played roles . There is no soul in his eyes. ~KSmallz. Same with NK. Bella Watts Autospy Report Maybe he lost patience with her. Between the two preferences, a lot of interaction was visible. Blood Alcohol. He has proven to be a pathalogical liar and nothing he has said before or after his conviction can be proven as truth. Kick him? They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. How would you have reacted in her situation? https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. Are you a parent? Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. Shanann was strangled and the children were smothered. Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. She should have seen my house when my kids were little. I'm not sure whether the restrictions on health related information had a bearing on this aspect, or the Thrive aspect, or both. God I wish she had taken the girls and just got the heck out of there. Because she was submerged in oil for four days. 2. They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. Little Celeste, thankfully, seemed to have no idea what was happening to her. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. He in cold-heart and with much caluculation waited for her to return Shanann did not stand a chance! GREELEY, Colo. Authorities released Monday the autopsy reports of Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. i did not read many commentsso maybe others have notice thisCeces autopsys did not reveal her oesophasagus( maybe wrong spelling )surgery?this can be a reason why CW tried to keep all of them health documentation avoid been public recorded?becausethere may have been some exageration about it ?on the other sideinsurance policies would have not give them money so maybe this is why the medical bills so heavy?there is something that i dont understand? Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. She even labelled food in her kitchen. When the girls were not at daycare, and at home, they took very long naps, and also had a 6:30 pm bedtime, sleeping 630-6:30. The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. Shanann Watts' husband, Chris Watts allegedly confesses to murder The Colorado Bureau of Investigation reported that three-year-old Celeste Watts and four-year-old Bella Watts are also dead along with mom Shanann. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. I havent finished reading the Discovery yet (just at the freaky prison fan mail/hate mail) but I havent read anything yet about any DNA testing of the sheets? Even if they appear to be dead or as the agent in this case said decapitated you call & plead for someway to help fix them. A person who is killed and immediately wrapped up and taken out of the home within an hour isnt going to be in rigor in that time- the first rigor shows up in about 1-2 hours, and then takes about 12 hrs to fully develop Then dissipates again about 12 hours later. He said Shanann said she was going to a friends house with their two kids. I was writing in a passion. I also believe in my heart that Shannan did not hurt her babies Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. Nick Van Der Leek is the owner of this site and you are invited to comment, which is a privilege and we should be grateful. He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. The paper bags are put on the hands to transport the victim after they are found deceased as to not contaminate any potential evidence around the hands, such as DNA evidence under the fingernails. When youre pregnant, your chest grows significantly and pretty rapidly- its completely understandable that she might have been wearing one to bed. One body was face down in the south side of the tank. Police saw a bed sheet. (He left the house as the sun was coming upmore on this below). I just dont get it. Maybe we can do a group letter and petition: dear Watts, what happened??! Chris Watts strangled and smothered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, to death, before strangling their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, with a blanket in 2018. If the girls were dead by ca. First off she was supposed to have been in a rage enough to have been snuffing the life out of her daughter & then when she sees the object of her rage that caused this who then starts to fight with her & strangle her she doesnt dig her nails into him anywhere? Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. Her legs would have been free, but if he was high up on her chest I doubt she would have been able to even get him with her knees, they would not have reached him. If thats the case I cant figure where else they would have been at that time. (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . Shanann had extensive injuries to her neck. Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. Thoughts? Late stage of pregnant. 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. Like you, I was suspicious about the DAs assessment. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. Or it might be that a place for everything and everything in its place is a good way for me to manage time being able to grab what I need when I need it without having to faff around looking for it. This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? Lack of petechiae. My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. What was the motive? Remember, she was pregnant. Throw it away? Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. In the autopsy Shannan was found to be still wearing a bra. The lack of a broken hyoid bone (called thyroid bone in the autopsy?) Where was all the money from that house? And even if he did not kill them twice so to speak, he killed the on in front of the other with no thoughts to their fear levels or anything but yet you put all the blame on another of the victims. (942948) Interview with NK about CW's failing marriagehe badmouthed SW a lot . The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. Wanting to know why is simply that wanting to know why. Also, if memory serves, CW did at least one load of laundry on the night in question. read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. CeCe was face down no oil inside her. Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. Chris Watts. He just didnt want another baby. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. Shan'ann, Bella and Celeste Watts 25 Page Autopsy Report | TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek CRIME NEWS WATTS KNOX JonBenet MCCANN WM3 PENDING TOOLBOX TCRS YOUTUBE ARCHIVE The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. Bella was face up in the oil tank. What she considered the kids making a mess Ha! He failed all 3 questions. ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. I bet there was no conversation. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. For example, someone with OCD could have the thought that if they dont touch a doorknob a certain number of times an exact way, they will get a disease. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. She also wanted to make her marriage work. Thats contained in her autopsy report. Gastrointestinal Tract: They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. C . Celestes was similar. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. Shanann's autopsyconcluded that her cause of death was asphyxiation due to manual strangulation. Its horrible. I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! Its a matter of body position. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. With that much free time in the day, she could have gotten a part-time job and brought home real money. They have no empathy, which enables them to be incrediably cruel, if it suits. Shed been drinking?? So yeah sigh! Nickole called Christopher Watts and requested he come home and check on Shanann. Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. Do you think Shanann was the type of person to leave her suitcase downstairs and just go to bed? It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. Kaye, this sounds plausible. Face? There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. Thanks! And then you test it in various scenarios. It takes 2-4 min for a person to die from smothering or strangulation. She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. Youre not Shanann Watts. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. Sounds like a good theory except that Bella did fight for her life as the coroner explained by the hole in her frenulum, the biting of her tongue & insides of her cheeks. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. As previously reported, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder, with a baby boy the couple had already named Niko. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? Air and shrug to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night in.. The ethanol levels are perplexing though ; even in decomposition they are good lying. 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